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Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Yogesh — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:29:47 -0000

They are shit!!! i worked hard and managed to get MCAD and MCTS certification and when i try to order certificate, i get only error page!! now i am really feeling that y i studied this shit!! they are telling us to clear cookies etc!! here all will have atleast 1 MCP, dont they know this simple thing??? when they get error at first time wont they search for it?? does microsoft things us as a stupid computer geeks?????

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Yogesh — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:20:47 -0000

its a shit!!! site always giving error!!! waste of money to write exam and waste of energy to learn!!! wat is use of certification if we cant show it to anyone??? i need certificate and having problem in mcp site from 2009!!!!!!!!!

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Gregor Wright — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:28:34 -0000

Why is it that Microsoft introduce a Digital Download that does not work, every time i lauch the link i get SQL errors, and talk about the ability to pay for a printed option but do not provide the link or means to order it.

come on Microsoft it was easier to pass my MCSE+M than it is to order Certs through your website.... this i expect from other vendors not MS, end result is nothing to show for all your hard work sweat blood tears and not to mention the fortune already outlaid to get that far.

PS not all of us want to adopt the web 2.0 social networking craze, i personally prefer to old school approach of showing my certs to any prospective hiring manager in the interview, in the 10 years i have been certified not once have i been asked for a digital version...

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Pissed MPC — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:04:26 -0000

I completely agree.
Pretending that this is for "the environment" is crap. With all the money that you get from our exam fees, you can't even send us a piece of plastic? Come on. this is ridiculous

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Pissed MCP — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:54:06 -0000

I second this

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Liz — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:09:45 -0000

I've just passed my first Microsoft exam. I can't believe that MS are trying to justify a cost-cutting exercise by using the carbon footprint excuse. I get an error every time I try to order a hard copy of my cert, and I'm left with a feeling of disappointment and wondering why I put all that effort into studying and taking the exam, when I should have a sense of achivement. The people I work for are proud of my achievement and want to display my qualifications in the entry hall of the company, but I can't bring myself to present the owner of the company with something that looks like I knocked it up in photoshop. What exactly does 'the application encountered a technical problem and not able to complete your order' mean?

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Karl — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:00:38 -0000

As others have said: This is defintiely another example of cutting costs while claiming the moral high ground. The bottom line is I'll now be relying on the printable transcript and sharing code rather than the cert since anyone could knock that up and print it themselves.

Regards

Karl.

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

NewMCP — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:17:41 -0000

I am a MCPD, MCTS and MCITP with NOTHING tangible to show for it unless... I PAY MORE! Ok that is a dissapointment, however I can live with that, but what I don't understand is the fact that I can't order my own Wallet Card! You must add options not take options away Microsoft!

All my friends told me about what I receive once I am certified and I really looked forward to receiving this awesome package from Microsoft ONLY for MCP's - BIG DISAPPOINTMENT IT WAS WHEN NOTHING ARRIVED AND NOW I CAN'T EVEN ORDER MY OWN WALLET CARD ANYMORE!

Is it really worth it to DEVALUE your certifications by lowering your way of saying congratulations!? Do you think that little of your MCPs? Maybe we should start a website where you can send your wife digital flowers instead of real tangible beautiful flowers and see the excitement in her eyes!

Your mistake WILL cost you in the long run unfortunately. Don't for one second think that MCPs are stupid and will believe this going green thing as an excuse to cutting costs. It sounds and feels like a way of lowering expenses in a tough economic time.

Please bring back the Wallet Card - I will pay for it!

Thank you.

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Beshoy_MCSE — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:33:54 -0000

I'm from Egypt and I want to get on the card and the path of paper certificates is not the way solution to the digital certificate is available through the application on the site
Why have this message sent to me?

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

me — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:52:19 -0000

Please stop using "green" as an excuse. It is not true, and you haven't provided any numbers about it. I have asked MSlearning about study that proves it is greener solution. You should start from making such study.

You are keeping shipping of paper certs so only plastic card is gone. The question is how much pollution is done by plastic cards. I will tell you, for 1000kg of plastic up to 6000kg of CO2 emission are made. Doesn't sound good. But in place of simple plastic card you are putting new servers for VBC. Take a look at this MS Site:

http://www.microsoft.com/environment/greenit/Pr...

here Micorosft says that one server means almost 5000kg of CO2 each year.

Could you say again that VBC are greener? Do you know what greenwashing means? Do you know what would have happen if organisations like greenpeace could see your argumentation?

Have you measured how much pollution is done by two Bus Tours?

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Tim — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:52:46 -0000

Virtual Business Cards, Where are they?

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Erwin Chan — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:58:28 -0000

December 8th - I'm making a post today about this.

Like I said many times, I wasn't in the discussion when they made the decision. I can check with ops to see what they went through in the decision, but ultimately I think the decision to stop sending welcome kits is done. The question right now is whether we'll offer wallet cards on demand like we do with paper certs.

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Jackie Lam — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:51:27 -0000

hmmm...
one more concerns and suggestions.
When will the VBC launched? Because I had passed all the tests for MCITP, SA
and I'm finding nowhere within the MCP site that I can create my VBC (the one that used for replacement of the wallet card, and at least, some proof from you guys about my achievement...)
Reply to the office sending cert issue. How about shipping through ships instead of planes? Because from my observation from other forums about this Going Green Policy, most MCPs are angry with no cert and wallet cards provided by Microsoft after they finished the exam, so I think we don't mind waiting a little longer for getting the Welcome Kits. (And as far as I know, ships would be much environmental friendly than the planes, isn't it?) Then you guys can continue running the one or two distribution centers, saving tons of paper (by only provide the certs, wallet cards and one A4 letter about checking Welcome Kits information from MCP websites) and decrease the CO2 emitted by the planes, and most important thing is, each MCP would be happy and get a great experience from Microsoft (aren't you guys alway try to achieve this goal?).
Thank you very much for your reply Erwin and hope I can get back from you soon. ^^

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Erwin Chan — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:24:10 -0000

It is a good idea to try to use regional Microsoft offices to send out the kits. However, it then becomes a *huge* logistical problem. Instead of trying to manage one or two distribution centers, we'd have to manage one in every country. That's over 200 which would each require people to manage the process. Each would have to have their own stock of certificate paper and plastic for the wallet card, and each would have to have a printing process. It would solve some of the air shipping environmental problems but we don't have the ability to set something up like that. Maybe in the future, but at the moment that proposal far exceeds our capabilities.

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Jackie Lam — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:15:34 -0000

I don't think you will. Because they have the never lauched VBC.

Reply to Erwin:
Thanks for your concern about our feelings. Yes, you are right that we need to look after our poor Earth. We done too many harmful actions to the plantnet.

But, paper certificates are the basic materials to certify a person archeivement. And here I would like to make suggestions (not arguing, because arguing here would not solve the problems, but suggestions can).
Erwin, as you said most people would never look into the materials within the Welcome Kit, and that would waste much more resources if you guys continue to send the Welcome Kit out, why don't you guys just send out the certificates and the wallet card, with one A4 letter to indicate that the Welcome Kit information can be accessible through the MCP website (If that's not the suggestions, just forgive me because I myself never received any Welcome Kits from Microsoft).
For the mailing of the Welcome Kit issue, why don't you consider about issue the package through the regional Microsoft Office (I reliease that Microsoft must have office over the World)? So, every Welcome Kit would be mailed with local delivery, and that should resolve the Air Mail from US cause CO2 emittion issue.
Hope I can getting reply soon and thank you very much for your reply.

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Erwin Chan — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:22:59 -0000

Hi Jason,

Wallet cards are no longer produced and cannot be ordered with the certificate. We're looking into ways we can bring back the wallet card, but at present there is no option.

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

JASON — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:34:21 -0000

SARAH I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT IF I ORDER CERTIFICATES ,THE WALLET CARD WILL ALSO SEND WITH IT BY MICROSOFT OF JUST A CERTIFICATE

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

JASON — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:31:31 -0000

IF WE ORDER FOR CERTIFICATES ,THE WALLET CARD WILL ALSO BE SEND BY MICROSOFT OR NOT

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

shuja — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:49:25 -0000

you want to tell you what we want to see done and will get it done? it is almost 3 months that we are waiting for VBC to be at least released on the site to see how it looks like,

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Erwin Chan — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:56:59 -0000

I'm sorry you feel that way and while I wasn't part of the decision to discontinue the welcome kits, let me talk about it a little in hopes of shedding some light.

The green policy is not about getting more money from candidates like yourself. From what I heard, we've actually haven't raised exam prices in a very long time which is something I don't think other companies can say. We strive to make exams as accessible as possible.

Also saving on paper is just the tip of the Going Green policy - it's not just the paper, but rather the shipping. If you ever looked up how much waste goes into air mailing items then you can start to understand why it's important that we take steps to minimize how much we ship.

Lastly, we had to look at the overall problem and make one decision and we realized that a lot of people (in fact a huge majority) didn't do anything with their welcome kits. This means that we printed a lot of paper and cardboard and shipped a huge amount of wasted material. Any monies we may have initially saved went into setting up the on demand printing process and the VBC so it's not like there was a lot of initial cost savings. However, we saved enough material and transportation waste to make this a good thing for the environment.

Now I recongnize that while a majority of MCPs may not have found value with the card, there are many vocal and valued MCPs on this blog who are very angry that the card is gone and we are hearing you. We immediately created ability to download your cert and setup the process to order a printed cert from us. We also started the VBC not as a replacement for the wallet card but to also expand benefits so that we weren't cutting too many benefits. Initially it was difficult to include the wallet card into that process but we'll take a second look at it. Already we have it in the planning process - but unfortunately I can't promise you anything at the moment.

If you want to see something change, I urge all of you to continue to be vocal on this blog. Tell us what you want to see done and we'll get it done. It may not happen overnight, but will as sure as hell do our best to get it done.

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Jackie Lam — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:34:14 -0000

Without the Welcome Kit, this examination goes meaningless.....
I am planning to get MCITP:EA and I had taken some courses for preparing the exam
Also, you guys charged us for the examination fees.
But what for now? You guys just use a Green Policy to hide out the truth that you guys want to get more money from the candidates!
If it is a Green Policy, why you guys would offer a printed Certificate with shipping and handling fees? It also consume papers from you guys. And you guys just said us (the candidates) not support with the Green Environmental Policy!! Craps!!!
Basically, for what the candidates assumed, taking the exam with examination fees should have the printed certificate and validation cards (you guys call wallet card) included. If such materials not included, so why we should paid for the exam?
I had finished two exams and already paid for the remaining exams, I can't quit no matters what new policies you guys go. But I'm 100% sure that this would be my first, and the last examination with Microsoft!!

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

me — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:32:10 -0000

Where are Virtual Business Cards? Why are you spending money saved by cutting of our benefits on second holiday trip? Wouldn't it be better to at least fix your mcp site? I wasn't able to open my transcript today. Of course you don't care about it, and don't have time to do it from another Bus Tour.

I don't remember when I was able to use MCP site without problems.

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Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Stefan — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:34:10 -0000

Nice Joke Microsoft! I'm MCP, MCTS, MCDST, MCSA and now working on MCITP:SE. But without any real Certs, without the Wallet Card this course would be my last one.
Greetings from Switzerland

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

Another_MCP_MCSA_etc — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:33:02 -0000

I saw the new digital certificates - I don't like them. I too think this is only another measure to cut costs. "Green IT", sure...

I spent a lot of money in exam fees and classrom trainings. I spent a lot of time and worked hard for passing the exams and all I get is just a "download-and-print-it-yourself" otherwise pay another fee ??? What will we get in exchange?

"... show them immediately that you are an MCP" A hiring manager still wants to see PAPER, no digital certificate.

And just another thought...
I passed another certification (not Microsoft) and I got a very nice paper certificate to hang up at my office. You now what? When I look at it, I'm very proud of it. And I can show it to others. :-)

Is the MS certification nothing to be proud of? "Not worth the paper"?
Very Poor...

Re: Going Green – MCP Digital Certificates Are Here

shuja — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:03:29 -0000

I think they are not able to even answer our questions